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--- arcade:joystick_mechs [2024/01/06 08:51] – [Sanwa] NFG
+++ arcade:joystick_mechs [2024/06/21 00:10] (current) – NFG
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 ===== Joystick Mechanisms =====
 Just a fun-filled list of joystick mounts for easy fact finding.
+===== Pinouts =====
+Most of the joysticks listed below use either spade connectors (AT-187 Japan size) or a 5-pin JST NH-series connector.  The 5-pin connector pinout is a bit complicated, because the function of the pins will vary depending on the stick's orientation on the panel.  The only consistent pin is ground, and even that's opposite for Seimitsu and Sanwa, and in rare instances (Namco's Cyber Lead cab, and the Seimitsu LS-33) even that's not reliable.
+I've attempted to put together a guide to wrapping your head around [[Joystick Wiring]].
 ===== Seimitsu =====
-Seimitsu sticks to two mounting patterns, for the most part.  Either a 50mm square, or 40mm.
+Seimitsu sticks to two mounting patterns, for the most part.  Either a 50mm square, or 40mm spacing.
+Wiring is done with spade connectors (called fast-on connectors in Japan) or a 5-pin connector.  If both are available, the **5-pin versions** are denoted by a **-01 suffix** on the model number.  For example, LS-32 or LS-32-01.
-They're sometimes sold with a choice of adaptor plate, sometimes there's no choice.  Sometimes, for special editions (or their NOBI stick) the adaptor plate has a sticker on it that needs to be removed if the adaptor plate doesn't fit your intended panel.
+They're sometimes sold with a choice of **adaptor plate**, sometimes there's no choice.  Sometimes, for special editions (or their NOBI stick) the adaptor plate has a fancy sticker on it that needs to be removed before the adaptor plate can be swapped for a more suitable option.
 Generally speaking all their adaptor plates are compatible with the stick mechs, so if you have a 40mm stick, any of their **P=40** plates will work.
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   * LS-56
   * LS-55
+  * LS-33
 ==== Seimitsu 50mm Mechs ====
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 ===== SNK / Sigma / ASCII / Seimitsu =====
-SNK's home consoles used Seimitsu mechs (or clones of them) with a 40mm pattern.  Shown below is a mech from a NeoGeo AES joystick (the original and CD sticks used the same mechs).  On the right, the same mechanism mounted to Seimitsu's 40mm plate included with the SELS-70X.
+SNK's Neo Geo home consoles used Seimitsu LS-22 mechs (or clones of them, as they're unmarked) with a 40mm pattern.  Shown below (left) is a mech from a Neo Geo AES joystick.  Both the original cartridge system and CD sticks used the same mechs.  The centre image shows the same mechanism mounted to Seimitsu's 40mm plate included with the SELS-70X.  The image on the right shows a mech taken from a Sigma or ASCII stick (I forget which).  It is clearly marked Seimitsu Co. Ltd, LS-22.
-These same mechs (or clones of them) were also used in sticks from Sigma (The Σ-2200 definitely used a Seimitsu mech) and (IIRC) ASCII.
+These same mechs (or clones of them) were also used in sticks from Sigma (The Σ-2200 definitely used a Seimitsu mech) and some early ASCII models, like the ones made for MSX computers, and the Nintendo Famicom.  SNK's rotating Loop Lever, a Seimitsu LS-30, also used the same base.
-{{:arcade:snk-stick.jpg?200|SNK's NeoGeo AES Stick Mech}}{{:arcade:snk-seimitsu-40mm.jpg?400|}}
+{{:arcade:snk-stick.jpg?200  |SNK's NeoGeo AES Stick Mech}}{{:arcade:snk-seimitsu-40mm.jpg?200  |SNK NeoGeo mech with Seimitsu SELS mount plate}}{{:arcade:seimitsusnkasciisigma-stickbase.jpg?200|Sigma or ASCII version}}
+Here are some mounting measurements for this device:
+{{  :arcade:seimitsusnkasciisigma.png?400  |Seimitus mech, as used by SNK/ASCII/Sigma}}
 ===== Sanwa =====
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 This mech is compatible with Sanwa JLF mounts and accessories.  The Sanwa device seems to use their standard 5-wire connector for UDLR, plus the two wires for Vcc and Ground (confirm?)
+===== Nintendo =====
+Back in the 80s, with Donkey Kong and Popeye, the Vs cabinets, and even R-Type (which Nintendo distributed in North America) Nintendo used an all-metal joystick that was small, clicky, had an incredibly short throw, and a very short shaft.  I love the thing to pieces, but it's difficult to use in a modern cab due to its very shallow mounting depth.
+The following diagrams were made based on manual measurements, so if you use them and your world ends, well, oops.  Maybe double check them first.
+{{:arcade:nintendostick-fig-1.png?200  |  Nintendo Arcade Stick Schematic 1  }}
+{{:arcade:nintendostick-fig-3.png?200  |  Nintendo Arcade Stick Schematic 3  }}
+{{:arcade:nintendostick-fig-2.png?200  |  Nintendo Arcade Stick Schematic 2  }}
+{{:arcade:nintendostick-fig-4.png?200|  Nintendo Arcade Stick Schematic 4  }}